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Making a page without a menu nav? 2 years, 7 months ago #2090

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Hi Guys,

This is probably a Joomla 101 question, but here goes. I am trying to make a page on a Joomla site, but don't want to include a menu item to make it display.

So I am trying to make for example: www.sitename.com.au/keyword-for-this-page.html

I would use a keyword anchor text link from one page to link to this page (that is why I dont want it to be in a menu item as well, because of this specific requirement).

I know its a really basic question and probably really easy for the more seasoned Joomla guru's. I don't mind asking though You don't know if you don't ask.

I do know a bit about SEO though, and would be happy to contribute in this way...

Cheers - Dallas

Re:Making a page without a menu nav? 2 years, 7 months ago #2092

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Hi Dallas
To access a Joomla! article on a menu you have to actually put it, its category or its section in a menu. So if you don't want it on a menu just don't put it, its category or its section on a menu.
To create an in-text link just copy article's alias and paste it into the article where you would like the link to appear.
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Re:Making a page without a menu nav? 2 years, 7 months ago #2095

hmm joomla will probably use the title alias for the url - if it doesn't try an sef component I like arto joomsef (although i get a lot of slack for iit!) www.artio.net/en/joomla-extensions/jooml...ponent-artio-joomsef
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Re:Making a page without a menu nav? 2 years, 7 months ago #2097

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Hi,

We have sh404SEF installed, (though I have not worked out yet how to best use it).

Megan, I am not sure I understand what you mean. We have a few menu items under the header of the site, but I don't want to include the link in any of those menu's. I just want to make a keyword based anchor link to a page name. The article I created also has an alias. Eg. The article alias is called: keyword-for-this-page

Its just that I have not worked out how to make the page /keyword-for-this-page.html work, so that I can link to it from the home page of the site.

Hope this makes more sense?

Thanks,
Dallas

Re:Making a page without a menu nav? 2 years, 7 months ago #2098

so you have a page alias - keyword

when you navogate in the front end to yorusite.com/keyword.html

do you see the page?

if so just then link to the page using the chain icon where teh keyword appears elsewhere
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Re:Making a page without a menu nav? 2 years, 7 months ago #2099

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Hi,

Sorry, I should have mentioned that. No, I get a 404 page. That's the reason for my question. I really appreciate the replies. Any further hints / tips much appreciated.

Cheers - Dallas

Re:Making a page without a menu nav? 2 years, 7 months ago #2100

OK to view an article without menu link showing - i.e. this will show you the url...
- In the back-end (yoursite.com/administrator) go to menu & select a published menu [the default one, which is the one with the asterisk, will do]
- Click NEW [top right]
- Enter a title – e.g. test – and you can reuse this later
- UNPUBLISH this menu link is UNPUBLISH – 5th item below title
- Select the new article [on right – parameters basic - SELECT]
- Click APPLY
- Now highlight and copy the LINK – 2 boxes box below title box

That's the link - if it's not what you want - you / I would go to SEF component and change it - put it in front and and see what happens
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Re:Making a page without a menu nav? 2 years, 7 months ago #2102

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Hi,

Thanks. This works good and displays the article at the front end. Now, I just need to work out how to make it output as the SEF url.

The other odd thing, is that when I have a link on the unpublished new page, it displays as www.sitename.com.au/undefined/ - is there a way to stop that from happening?

I have added the URL in sh404SEF, but it still comes up as a 404 page if I try to use /keyword-for-this-page.html

Any ideas on the above two things? Again, I really appreciate your help.

Cheers - Dallas

Re:Making a page without a menu nav? 2 years, 7 months ago #2103

hmm -
1. try calling teh menu link (the unpublished on e we created) keyword
@. I'm assuming you have sef on
3. you gotta chaneg it in sh404 - if it hasn't happened ehere - do you have an option to find urls and change? I mainly use artio

I can log in and have a look if you wish - but tomorrow - ducking out now
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Re:Making a page without a menu nav? 2 years, 7 months ago #2104

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Hi Mate,

The unpublished URL at the front end works fine. That would be awesome if you could login an look. How do I get the details to you?

Cheers - Dallas

Re:Making a page without a menu nav? 2 years, 7 months ago #2105

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Hi,

I also just tried by publishing the menu item, and the page works in SEF mode like that, so not really sure now...

Will check back tomorrow.

Cheers - Dallas

Re:Making a page without a menu nav? 2 years, 7 months ago #2107

Ok the best solution for you then is to create a new menu - menu manager - new - call it say hidden.
move the menu item you just created to this new menu
and publish it.

What we are basically doing is creating a new active menu (published) that isn't actaully showing - becuase we have not displayed it in a module.

this should solve your problem.
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Re:Making a page without a menu nav? 2 years, 7 months ago #2111

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Hi Mate,

Thank you so much. This was an easy solution, and I really appreciate you taking to time to help me on this. In fact (not that I know enough about all the available SEO extensions for Joomla yet), but just enabling SEF pages in the Global config and using hidden menus could be a very simple work around for the SEO work I have been doing on Joomla sites.

Just to clarify, unless I add a link from an indexed page, a spider would not normally find this new page via the menu, because the menu is not part of the template or any module - do I understand you correctly?

Thanks again - I really appreciate your awesome help.

Cheers - Dallas

Re:Making a page without a menu nav? 2 years, 7 months ago #2117

That is an excellent question Dallas !

In theory you may think google and the world won't find the page - however I would never rely on this becuase sine the page actually exists and assumign it is published - there will be other avenues to finding the page..
- such as through a link to its category (for an obvious example)
- to say a search-page for a term / word etc that is in that page (less obvious example).
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Re:Making a page without a menu nav? 2 years, 7 months ago #2120

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Hi Mate,

I understand anyone external from the site can point a link to the site, and the search engines would find this way.

My question was more around the on site factors within Joomla. Given the menu I have used is hidden, and is not associated with any modules on the site, is there any other way within Joomla that a link would be made available for a spider to follow?

Im only asking this so I can understand what else I need to consider from an optimisation point of view.

Also, do you know a way that I can make the hidden menu default its links to rel="nofollow", or would this be a plugin thing?

Cheers - Dallas

Re:Making a page without a menu nav? 2 years, 7 months ago #2121

better to make new thread for new questions next time so others can find answers more easily:
www.joomlatwork.com/docman/cat_view/50.html
joomla sef patch - if you aren't using already (?) - can't really add more than above re spider qn - maybe someone else can explain / add more
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